32 Responses to Would Atheists Kill for the Constitution?
Blue
July 21, 2010 at 6:25 pm
Read the Constitution and pass the ammunition. They’d be the same as any terrorist or invading country and would be responded to as violently as necessary.
I actually had to think about this a couple of minutes (sad to say). What would I, personally, really DO? Lay low and hope for the best? Try to get out of the country? I knew I sure as hell WOULDN’T cooperate. And, I knew I could NOT stand idly by while homosexuals or people of color or other endangered people were persecuted. Then, proudly, I realized that I would defend, with force, what my ancestors fought for. I’d probably die in the attempt, but so what? How could I live if I didn’t try? I know this sounds corny. I don’t care. I already have no problem with defending me and mine on the off chance that someone comes into my home and tries to cause harm. (I can’t understand people who won’t have guns in their house. How are they going to defend themselves and the people they love in a society where criminals are heavily armed? If it’s me or them, I choose me and mine!) So, what’s the difference? My country IS my home. Fuck ‘em.
Are you shitting me? I’ve wanted to kill every monotheist on earth for years. A Christian Taliban throwing out the Constitution in favor of Leviticus would the the cassus belli I’ve been waiting for.
The Constitution’s 1st Amendment does not just cover freedom from religion, it protects freedom OF religion. I’d be the first to pick up a weapon to defend Christians if someone started knocking them off for their beliefs.
BTW, this isn’t a blog to vent hatred towards people, but to express disdain for certain destructive ideologies.
If you’re looking for a platform to express hatred of the religious, you’ve come to the wrong place.
I think you took Angriest Atheist too literally. I always say I hate humans, but I volunteer to teach adults how to read, I give at least 1% of my income to groups that fight hunger, poverty, a la Peter Singer, and I’ll help anyone I encounter any way I can if they appear to need help. But then I’m also fervently hoping Supreme Court Justice Scalia will die suddenly……
Saying you want to do something or will do it are different things. I always wanted to kill my mother because she was pyschotic and made life miserable for me and everyone around her. I didn’t kill her, and even took care of her affairs for the 7 years she had Alzheimer’s and she was in assisted living. When I look back on my childhood I am almost surprised I didn’t try to kill her.
But I have never killed or harmed anyone. Yet. I believe we all are much more capable of killing than we think we are.
I understand the difference between wanting and doing, but the problem is that I have many different kinds of people visiting my blog and I don’t want it to ever be said that I allowed what could be termed as “hate speech” to go unchallenged. For example, I actually used to enjoy reading Robert Spencer’s Jihad Watch, but eventually gave up on it because the racist comments rarely (if ever) get challenged.
I have nothing against Angriest Atheist. Believe me, I too have my days, but I have a responsibility to my readership and to other atheists to present a balanced and positive face, even if I do come off as militant and in-your-face at times. I made a choice to put myself out here to blog about atheism. If, even by omission, I do harm to the cause then I would be devastated. Above all, do no harm.
You seem to have had much pain in your life. I have as well, and you have my empathy. Best to do that which promotes life and happiness.
Have you heard of The Handmaid’s Tale ? If the Republic og Gilead became a reality, I would probably become a Nick, the fifth-columnist. Plus, my christianese is pretty good.
Then again, I would most likely be shipped to the “colonies”, given my looks and accent.
Yes I would be willing to die or kill to defend the US Constitution. I figure if something like this was to happen, many that would welcome it when it first happens wouldn’t take long to decide they screwed up. I know there would be plenty of others that would be willing to join and doubt it would last long as the rule.
Yeah the fanatics following those in power would probably get into it extremely hardcore. The other fanatics that are on the receiving end will change their minds about a theocracy. I have known a few that would support one and I don’t really think they understand what would happen to those in the minor christian religions.
Good point. I actually considered the get-the-hell-outta-Dodge option, but it would have been the only one that was potentially 100% dependent on a person’s financial status. Many people, if given an option and possessing the means,would leave the country.
The options given level the playing field, so to speak.
When I joined the army I swore to uphold and defend the constitution. I did not swear to defend the president or congress. I have been out of the Army for years, but I still take that oath seriously. The constitution is not perfect, but I consider it to be one of the better documents produced by our species. Because it is a secular governing document I would still be more than willing to defend it with violence if necessary.
Maybe you should start an atheist militia and provide training to some of us who are moderately clueless about such things. If I was part of an atheist militia, maybe it wouldn’t annoy me so much with those pesky Christians called me “militant.”
When I have the time I’m seriously considering it.
However, it would have to be above board 100% and in compliance with all state, federal and local laws.
Also, no crazy Rambo stuff, no seditious talk or literature and absolutely nothing involving hate of the religious or anyone.
Knowing this crowd, hate or sedition shouldn’t be a problem.
Damn it sounds like you want to take all the fun out of being in a militia group. Would we still be allowed to act as if anyone not in line with us aren’t real Americans?
What if I don’t want to die? What if I just want to publish pornographic photos of your mother in local Sydney media instead? I’d prefer to do it in person, if you don’t mind.
Blue
July 21, 2010 at 6:25 pm
Read the Constitution and pass the ammunition. They’d be the same as any terrorist or invading country and would be responded to as violently as necessary.
Candace
July 21, 2010 at 6:56 pm
I actually had to think about this a couple of minutes (sad to say). What would I, personally, really DO? Lay low and hope for the best? Try to get out of the country? I knew I sure as hell WOULDN’T cooperate. And, I knew I could NOT stand idly by while homosexuals or people of color or other endangered people were persecuted. Then, proudly, I realized that I would defend, with force, what my ancestors fought for. I’d probably die in the attempt, but so what? How could I live if I didn’t try? I know this sounds corny. I don’t care. I already have no problem with defending me and mine on the off chance that someone comes into my home and tries to cause harm. (I can’t understand people who won’t have guns in their house. How are they going to defend themselves and the people they love in a society where criminals are heavily armed? If it’s me or them, I choose me and mine!) So, what’s the difference? My country IS my home. Fuck ‘em.
The Angriest Atheist in America
July 21, 2010 at 7:41 pm
Are you shitting me? I’ve wanted to kill every monotheist on earth for years. A Christian Taliban throwing out the Constitution in favor of Leviticus would the the cassus belli I’ve been waiting for.
godlessmonster
July 21, 2010 at 7:56 pm
The Constitution’s 1st Amendment does not just cover freedom from religion, it protects freedom OF religion. I’d be the first to pick up a weapon to defend Christians if someone started knocking them off for their beliefs.
BTW, this isn’t a blog to vent hatred towards people, but to express disdain for certain destructive ideologies.
If you’re looking for a platform to express hatred of the religious, you’ve come to the wrong place.
Anonymous
July 22, 2010 at 4:22 pm
I think you took Angriest Atheist too literally. I always say I hate humans, but I volunteer to teach adults how to read, I give at least 1% of my income to groups that fight hunger, poverty, a la Peter Singer, and I’ll help anyone I encounter any way I can if they appear to need help. But then I’m also fervently hoping Supreme Court Justice Scalia will die suddenly……
Saying you want to do something or will do it are different things. I always wanted to kill my mother because she was pyschotic and made life miserable for me and everyone around her. I didn’t kill her, and even took care of her affairs for the 7 years she had Alzheimer’s and she was in assisted living. When I look back on my childhood I am almost surprised I didn’t try to kill her.
But I have never killed or harmed anyone. Yet. I believe we all are much more capable of killing than we think we are.
godlessmonster
July 22, 2010 at 4:35 pm
I understand the difference between wanting and doing, but the problem is that I have many different kinds of people visiting my blog and I don’t want it to ever be said that I allowed what could be termed as “hate speech” to go unchallenged. For example, I actually used to enjoy reading Robert Spencer’s Jihad Watch, but eventually gave up on it because the racist comments rarely (if ever) get challenged.
I have nothing against Angriest Atheist. Believe me, I too have my days, but I have a responsibility to my readership and to other atheists to present a balanced and positive face, even if I do come off as militant and in-your-face at times. I made a choice to put myself out here to blog about atheism. If, even by omission, I do harm to the cause then I would be devastated. Above all, do no harm.
You seem to have had much pain in your life. I have as well, and you have my empathy. Best to do that which promotes life and happiness.
Trace
July 21, 2010 at 9:39 pm
Have you heard of The Handmaid’s Tale ? If the Republic og Gilead became a reality, I would probably become a Nick, the fifth-columnist. Plus, my christianese is pretty good.
Then again, I would most likely be shipped to the “colonies”, given my looks and accent.
godlessmonster
July 22, 2010 at 6:34 am
And yes, I’d hear of the book, but never read it. I had to Wiki it to see what you were talking about. The internet is a wonderful thing
Candace
July 22, 2010 at 7:13 am
I saw the movie. Chilling! People who think they really want a theocracy should be required to watch it.
godlessmonster
July 21, 2010 at 10:32 pm
I’d be the guy on the wanted posters.
Trace
July 23, 2010 at 5:59 am
Wanted is better than captured.
godlessmonster
July 23, 2010 at 6:39 am
Unless….you are wanted by a roving band of beautiful women. In that case, it would be better to just let yourself be captured.
Trace
July 23, 2010 at 1:50 pm
Wishfull thinking?
godlessmonster
July 23, 2010 at 2:03 pm
No, not at all. I’m a member of the Pure Thought Club.
Trace
July 23, 2010 at 2:45 pm
ha.
Baconsbud
July 22, 2010 at 4:18 am
Yes I would be willing to die or kill to defend the US Constitution. I figure if something like this was to happen, many that would welcome it when it first happens wouldn’t take long to decide they screwed up. I know there would be plenty of others that would be willing to join and doubt it would last long as the rule.
godlessmonster
July 22, 2010 at 5:30 am
I find most fanatics to be intransigent. I think they’d fight to the last person.
Baconsbud
July 22, 2010 at 2:54 pm
Yeah the fanatics following those in power would probably get into it extremely hardcore. The other fanatics that are on the receiving end will change their minds about a theocracy. I have known a few that would support one and I don’t really think they understand what would happen to those in the minor christian religions.
Andrew Hall
July 22, 2010 at 7:47 am
Hmmm…
You might want to put a, Flee the country, option too.
Me? I picked the last option.
http://laughinginpurgatory.blogspot.com/2010/07/talking-about-my-religious-past-ask-me.html
godlessmonster
July 22, 2010 at 9:50 am
Good point. I actually considered the get-the-hell-outta-Dodge option, but it would have been the only one that was potentially 100% dependent on a person’s financial status. Many people, if given an option and possessing the means,would leave the country.
The options given level the playing field, so to speak.
Andrew Hall
July 23, 2010 at 6:54 am
Understood.
What’s really scary are the people who chose the, “Constitution is a scrap of paper”.
I’d be interested in debating folks who chose the disobedience option.
http://laughinginpurgatory.blogspot.com/
Ralph
July 22, 2010 at 9:49 pm
When I joined the army I swore to uphold and defend the constitution. I did not swear to defend the president or congress. I have been out of the Army for years, but I still take that oath seriously. The constitution is not perfect, but I consider it to be one of the better documents produced by our species. Because it is a secular governing document I would still be more than willing to defend it with violence if necessary.
godlessmonster
July 22, 2010 at 10:11 pm
I love that…how true.
vjack
July 24, 2010 at 1:40 pm
I think you’d have to fight, wouldn’t you? I mean, their bible says that they must kill nonbelievers. It would be kill or be killed.
godlessmonster
July 24, 2010 at 2:16 pm
I would definitely go on the offensive. No doubt about it.
vjack
July 25, 2010 at 7:05 am
Maybe you should start an atheist militia and provide training to some of us who are moderately clueless about such things. If I was part of an atheist militia, maybe it wouldn’t annoy me so much with those pesky Christians called me “militant.”
godlessmonster
July 25, 2010 at 7:35 am
When I have the time I’m seriously considering it.
However, it would have to be above board 100% and in compliance with all state, federal and local laws.
Also, no crazy Rambo stuff, no seditious talk or literature and absolutely nothing involving hate of the religious or anyone.
Knowing this crowd, hate or sedition shouldn’t be a problem.
Baconsbud
July 25, 2010 at 8:38 am
Damn it sounds like you want to take all the fun out of being in a militia group. Would we still be allowed to act as if anyone not in line with us aren’t real Americans?
godlessmonster
July 25, 2010 at 8:46 am
Ha ha ha…sure, why not?
MICHAEL"HITMAN For CHRIST" HOLT
May 22, 2011 at 10:16 pm
ALL THE GODLESS WILL BURN, I WILL SLAY ALL THE GODLESS SCUM WHO LIVE ON THIS PLANET, come to Sydney any atheist arselicker who wants to die!!
godlessmonster
May 22, 2011 at 10:20 pm
Too bad you have such restrictive gun laws in Australia, bitch. Why don’t you come visit me instead?
godlessmonster
May 22, 2011 at 10:26 pm
What if I don’t want to die? What if I just want to publish pornographic photos of your mother in local Sydney media instead? I’d prefer to do it in person, if you don’t mind.